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August 29
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August 29, 2024
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RD: Steve Silberman
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Relix
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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Thriley (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Tūheitia Paki
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1][2][3]
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- Nominated by Dhantegge (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Dhantegge (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is well-sourced and well-written. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
August 28
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(Ready) RD: Charlotte Kretschmann
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by MrJaydenfire (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
MrJaydenfire (talk) 21:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support meets bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 10:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is sufficiently well-sourced for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Summer Paralympics
[edit]Blurb: The Summer Paralympics open in Paris, France. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
- Fix conjugation. No comment on nomination. Nfitz (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support and also to move to ongoing for the chronology. less people do it, but I will update it.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While the opening of the summer olympics has its own standalone page, the opening ceremony for the paralympics only has a short paragraph. I am not opposed to posting in principle, but if we are going to post the opening ceremony, there simply needs to be more written about it. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don't think we need a whole article just for the opening, the blurb as it exists is sufficient. Scu ba (talk) 03:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ongoing A major world sporting event and we also put the Olympics in ongoing (I think), so we should be consistent. I am open to blurbing the opening ceremony as well. -TenorTwelve (talk) 04:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment WP:ITNR#Multi-sport events lists the opening of the Paralympics, while it has the opening ceremony of the Olympics. The last opening was posted with only 2020 Summer Paralympics bolded, not the opening.[4].—Bagumba (talk) 05:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support the burb and ongoing article is in a good shape and I support the ongoing entry as well. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 10:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted For now, I've posted this to ITN. It would make sense for the item to eventually be moved to ongoing. Schwede66 10:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
August 27
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(Ready) RD: Juan Izquierdo
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Tragic death, Uruguayan footballer, at the time at Nacional. Article can easily be expanded given the news attention. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support could do with some expansion mainly a photo but otherwise looks alright and may he rest in peace. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 08:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- All fixed now, Thanks Abcmaxx. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 11:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is a deletion discussion on the image. The argument presented by the nominator is how likely there is a free photo existing of somebody who played 115 top-flight games in the present era. As per cases I remember like César Luis Menotti, the image should be hidden until the discussion concludes. Nothing says an item needs a photo in order to be posted. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I didn’t say it needed one it would just help the article and I didn’t add the picture so I cannot comment on its eligibility. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 22:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is a deletion discussion on the image. The argument presented by the nominator is how likely there is a free photo existing of somebody who played 115 top-flight games in the present era. As per cases I remember like César Luis Menotti, the image should be hidden until the discussion concludes. Nothing says an item needs a photo in order to be posted. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- All fixed now, Thanks Abcmaxx. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 11:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support meets WP:ITNQUALITY as it has details on most important events. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Update I have expanded and updated the article slightly. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support an absolute tragedy, article is in a good enough shape to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 13:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 17:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Leonard Riggio
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg, ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C23:2F26:C0C6:C9D6 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MantleM (talk · give credit) and Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former chairman of Barnes & Noble. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C23:2F26:C0C6:C9D6 (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Several sections need citations. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 18:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 13:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- update citations added throughout. Chaiten1 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Polaris Dawn
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: SpaceX's Polaris Dawn mission, set to launch at 07:38 AM UTC on August 27, is delayed for 24 hours after a helium leak. (Post)
Alternative blurb: SpaceX's Polaris Dawn mission, set to launch early in the morning on August 27, is delayed for 24 hours after a ground-side helium leak.
News source(s): https://www.space.com/spacex-polaris-dawn-launch-delay-helium-leak, https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/spacex-polaris-launch-postponed-helium-leak-detected-rcna167168, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/27/spacex-polaris-dawn-launch-date-time/74962772007/
Credits:
- Nominated by Sir MemeGod (talk · give credit)
- Created by Harshdeep2021 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Helium leaks are extremely common, as it's one of the smallest elements in existence. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose space missions getting delayed is Run-of-the-mill news, not something that is blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not yet A delay of 24 hours is nothing – the Boeing Starliner has been indeffed and the crew is not expected back until next year. The high spot of this mission seems to be a spacewalk so we should wait until that looks more certain. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Something didn't happen yet is not generally the sort of thing we post at ITN. Especially when it's ITNR and likely will happen in the very near future. Suggest speedy close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw (as nominator) per others, I will renominate once the space walk is carried out. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 19:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Nabil Elaraby
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Egypt Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by 84.160.115.66 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Zweifel (talk · give credit), Fjmustak (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Secretary General of the Arab League. Needs a tid bit of sourcing work — Knightoftheswords 03:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Eight cn tags, with some sections such as awards and UN subsections entirely unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags and Publication needs a source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support sources updated throughout the article; clearly a notable individual and article quality looks fine.Chaiten1 (talk) 21:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
August 26
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RD: Sid Eudy
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, USA Today, WWE
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American professional wrestler and former WWE/WCW world champion better known as Sid Justice, Sid Vicious, or Sycho Sid. Article needs a lot of work. The Kip (contribs) 20:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let It Be Known to those who know as "The Man Who Rules The World", but this article doesn't mention that and most of what it does mention hasn't been cited for years, isn't cited now and won't be cited by the time this goes stale. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is no way near posting. Vast majority of the wresting career section is unverified. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Picture ITN has been stuck on the same picture of a cyclist for over a week now and that's not a good look. This guy was six times world champion and we have a good picture so let's use it. As for citations, the article has 80 and counting. The regular reader won't think that's too few as there are only two {{cn}} which seem insignificant. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- 80 refs is definitely much improved than when this RD was nominated, but there are still some sections that have few to no citations. Natg 19 (talk) 07:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Justice will be served Sid's article now has 98 citations and zero {{cn}} thanks to the hard work of TheBlueSquareTWVM who should please take a bow. The cyclist's picture has been up for 10 days now, so it's time to give Sid a piece of the action. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sven-Göran Eriksson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former England national football team manager The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support good article, I didn’t spot any CN tags or unsourced sections so I think it’s good to go. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 11:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. There were a few citations needed, but I think I've most sorted those out and looks good otherwise. — Amakuru (talk) 11:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see one unsourced paragraph, on his appointment as Notts County manager. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I added a reference there but still needs more. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There's a lot of unsourced claims, especially relating to money and salary, which really have to be sourced. I added cn tags. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Abcmaxx: Those have been sorted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support good article, notable person. I don't see any major issues. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article has quite a few cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab: Those have been sorted now. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Earlier problems pointed out have been fixed, article looks in good shape, RIP. Josey Wales Parley 17:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support—Based on a cursory review of the article, it seems to be sufficiently referenced and comprehensive. Kurtis (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 21:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
August 25
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RD: Don Wert
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit) and Umutdyb (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 21:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article appears alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 20:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The 1968 World Series details has a Cn tag, which should be sourceable.—Bagumba (talk) 06:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Salim Al-Huss
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Served 4 terms as Prime Minister of Lebanon. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Not Ready. Several cn tags are in place.Changing to Support as the issues have been fixed. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)- @Midori No Sora and @PrinceofPunjab: possible reconsideration? I expanded the article and fixed the citation tags. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose some cn tags and unscoured Bibliography.ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 06:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in fact ready now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Fixed the issues regarding references and the article has been expanded to reflect his career better. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I just looked at the article and all the cn tags and other problems seem to have been fixed. Tradediatalk 21:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Issues have been fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I see no issues with the article at hand; marked as ready and should be on the Main Page once an admin gets to it. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello,
- Where's the discussion on Maryvonne Le Dizès ?
- It's quite amusing that she has an RD when Alain Delon didn't have one. She's not a household name even in France and the Wikipedia article doesn't even give her date of death
- Curious standards Varoon2542 (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Le Dizes's RD nom is in the archives. No RS gives an exact date, only that her passing was announced in August so that's the best we can give. Delon's article failed to be improved to meet the quality requirements for being ITN/RD or the Main Page. Masem (t) 11:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The archives for that posting is here: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/August_2024#(Posted)_RD:_Maryvonne_Le_Dizès. Any recently deceased person can get posted in RD, provided that they meet quality requirements, so "being a household name" is not necessary for RD. Unfortunately, as Masem said, Delon did not meet quality requirements, as there were still uncited statements in the article, and other areas that needed to be cleaned up. Natg 19 (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) Barsalogho massacre
[edit]Blurb: Dozens of people are killed in an Islamic militant attack in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by MrJaydenfire (talk · give credit)
- Not ready while death toll is quite significant, article needs expansion and a blurb needs to be suggest. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 06:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support some expansion would be nice but what is there is sufficient and cited. Notoriously hard to find reliable information from Burkina Faso, so that should be taken into account. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, article is in a sufficient state and the event is definitely notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, and the article appears to be just long enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support but I'd be wary of using 'at least 200' for the blurb. Al Jazeera says 'up to' and Radio France uses 'around'. No other media mentions the figure 200. – Ammarpad (talk) 13:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose According to the List of ongoing armed conflicts, this conflict has been ongoing since 2002 and there have been about 10,000 fatalities so far this year and about 70,000 in total. This particular skirmish seems to have been a firefight over some trenches and characterising it as a "massacre" seems inaccurate as there were casualties on both sides. So, this is not an isolated incident but a small part of an ongoing conflict. The details seem unreliable and POV from one side. Perhaps the war should be added to Ongoing but it's not adequate for a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree, should be added to ongoing. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 22:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- • Comment The war should definitely be on ongoing but I think we should still add this event to recent events. Rynoip (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - According to an (unsourced) statement in the JNIM article infobox, this terrorist group has links to the Taliban Afghani government. That seems like a notable piece of info that should be expanded PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Andrew. Had this been an isolated incident, I would've supported it. I also agree with that the war should be added to ongoing conflicts. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 15:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Given notability and death toll. Andrew does bring up an important point about the larger conflict and significant total number of fatalities but I don't see this covered signficantly enough to be updated frequently like the other conflicts we have listed under 'ongoing' in ITN Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The more I read about this the more I am convinced there will be very little reliable coverage from the region on a frequent enough basis to have meaningful updates under 'ongoing'. Based on the updates to the Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso page, it's unlikely to meet the criteria for WP:ONGOING On the other hand, there is an argument to be made that it could bring much needed attention to a lesser known but equally devastating conflict. Whether thats under the purview of WP:ITNPURPOSE is subjective and up for interpretation. Schwinnspeed (talk) 10:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, but oppose ongoing per Schwinnspeed above. It is distinguishable from the other conflicts we currently have listed. FlipandFlopped ツ 05:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment terrorist is a loaded term. just say militant.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- NPOV Agree. The guideline WP:TERRORIST says
Curently the WP page doesn't have "terrorist" or the like in it. —Bagumba (talk) 04:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)... best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject ...
- NPOV Agree. The guideline WP:TERRORIST says
- Support - Referenced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Joe D'Alessandris
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E977:822B:E475:C770 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Coingeek (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former coach for the Baltimore Ravens. 240F:7A:6253:1:E977:822B:E475:C770 (talk) 22:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Article needs expansion as it is to short at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 01:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is basically a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 06:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Basically no career information. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Arrest of Pavel Durov
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Blurb: The founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, Pavel Durov was arrested for complicity in several illegal charges (Post)
Alternative blurb: Pavel Durov, founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, is arrested for complicity in several illegal charges.
Alternative blurb II: Pavel Durov, founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, is arrested on charges of complicity in several crimes.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose that we don't post simple arrests, we use for the conviction. Further oppose that there's no reason for this to be a separate article from Durov's until there's actually a full trial and conviction to discuss. --Masem (t) 17:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support major arrest of a major figure. Like if Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg got arrested. Should be ITN Scu ba (talk) 17:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem, posting it might lead to BLP issues as none of the charges have been upheld in a court of law yet. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is rather mysterious but seems (geo)political rather than being an ordinary crime -- comparable with the persecution of people like Julian Assange. It seems to be making making headlines in all the major international media and so is quite newsworthy. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is certainly in the news to be notable. That sinking in sicily last week was too. very suspicious.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - We don't generally post arrests, and he's neither such a major public figure, nor accused of so huge a crime, as to provide a good reason to vary that. With all due respect to Scu Ba above, Durov really isn't in Musk or Zuckerberg's ballpark. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It may be of surprise that the MAU for Telegram is significantly more than X. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is not 'of surprise'. I already knew this, and I am a Telegram user myself. But Zuckerberg and Musk are massively influential multi-billionaires with other businesses to their names. If Zuckerberg had been arrested, no-one would be saying he was 'similar to Musk or Durov'. Durov wouldn't be getting mentioned at all. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Durov was once referred to as the “Mark Zuckerburg” of Russia due to his role in VK. I digress though, he’s one of the worlds most influential businessmen, however, he maintains a low profile.
- He’s essentially accused of not suppressing “misinformation” at the behest of the EU. His arrest should scare the hell out of anyone who cares about free speech. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is not the place to right great wrongs. I'm not saying that this isn't an interesting or concerning development; I'm saying that using sensationalism and peacock terms to describe it is counterproductive in making the argument that it should be on ITN. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is not 'of surprise'. I already knew this, and I am a Telegram user myself. But Zuckerberg and Musk are massively influential multi-billionaires with other businesses to their names. If Zuckerberg had been arrested, no-one would be saying he was 'similar to Musk or Durov'. Durov wouldn't be getting mentioned at all. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It may be of surprise that the MAU for Telegram is significantly more than X. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - perhaps if this is geopolitical, but I don't see a reason for France to be doing that, or even much speculation. No prejudice if the reason he was arrested is more significant than it appears to be.
- Support We don’t post allegations per WP:BLP and wait for the conviction, but I don’t see what prevents us from posting an arrest of a major figure if it receives media attention and is well-documented in a separate article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be a separate article for the arrest because that itself can be taken as a BLP violation. Nothing dramatic happened with the arrest (eg not a massive manhunt to secure him), and when you take away the reaction section on that article, it all can be covered on the bio page. Not every single event needs its own page. Masem (t) 23:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly suspect AfD would be a speedy keep, but this really isn’t the place to make such an argument. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- We can find out, because I have nominated it for deletion/merger. Please note that this is separate from the question of whether the arrest should be at ITN or not - there's a lot of nonsense out there about things which are nominated for ITN needing separate articles (eg deaths, arrests, etc) which isn't true. If the arrest article is deleted, that shouldn't in itself be an obstacle to the story being posted. (And it's my understanding that the article being at AfD suspends this discussion, so it might be best if the ITN nomination targeted the main Pavel Durov article for now.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, I was attempting to update the links because I don’t believe this discussion should be procedurally closed while the main article covering the arrest is being discussed at AfD. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I want to be clear that I think the story of Durov's arrest is important and interesting, just that it's not necessarily material for a separate article or an ITN posting. It's definitely a significant development. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is notable even if there's no separate article. Given the amount of content in that article, this would be an extensive update of the event in the article about him, which speaks to notability of the event.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I want to be clear that I think the story of Durov's arrest is important and interesting, just that it's not necessarily material for a separate article or an ITN posting. It's definitely a significant development. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, I was attempting to update the links because I don’t believe this discussion should be procedurally closed while the main article covering the arrest is being discussed at AfD. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- We can find out, because I have nominated it for deletion/merger. Please note that this is separate from the question of whether the arrest should be at ITN or not - there's a lot of nonsense out there about things which are nominated for ITN needing separate articles (eg deaths, arrests, etc) which isn't true. If the arrest article is deleted, that shouldn't in itself be an obstacle to the story being posted. (And it's my understanding that the article being at AfD suspends this discussion, so it might be best if the ITN nomination targeted the main Pavel Durov article for now.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly suspect AfD would be a speedy keep, but this really isn’t the place to make such an argument. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be a separate article for the arrest because that itself can be taken as a BLP violation. Nothing dramatic happened with the arrest (eg not a massive manhunt to secure him), and when you take away the reaction section on that article, it all can be covered on the bio page. Not every single event needs its own page. Masem (t) 23:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support The arrest, which is very much ITN, of the owner of a social media/messaging app that has nearly a billion users on concerns of “moderation” and a lack of “cooperation” on criminal cases is chilling at best, fascism at worst. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, it is not fascism for CEOs to be able to face legal consequences for their corporations' actions. Hyping this story up does nothing to help us judge its actual importance. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- The French tradition is dirigisme. This case reminds me of the Pierre-sur-Haute military radio station in which Rémi Mathis was forced to "cooperate" by threat of arrest. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support arrest is making headlines worldwide and IMO I think the arrest of a founder of two quite popular social media platforms qualifies to be blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 06:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability and article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems good and per PrinceofPunjab. Arrest is clearly notable and making global headlines. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, lean oppose He hasn't been charged with anything yet. If he does get charged (and remains in arrest) in the coming days, let's revisit. I get a feeling this news has more prominence here because most users are attuned to news related to the digital realm, but this isn't prominently featured on major French newspapers. Just another CEO who decided to flaunt regulations, it seems. Would we publish the arrest of a CEO of a company in another industry? And no, it's not a Julian Assange/Freedom of Speech issue. It's a matter of deciding to operate in France while (allegedly) flaunting French laws. Khuft (talk) 09:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose posting the arrest (I am mostly opposed to posting arrests in general). Posting the charges is another question, though in this case, I think it makes more sense to wait for the trial, and see if he gets convicted. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't really see this story in the (mainstream) news at all and this sections supposed to be a representation of topics currently in the worldwide news, is it not?
- Also on a separate topic, has a story about (alleged) criminals getting arrested ever been posted here? Kasperquickly (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- There have been several cases. Examples include: Arrest of Pervez Musharraf, ICC arrest warrant for Putin and Corruption in EU parliament. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Putin was a bit of an IAR exception based on his being a head of state of one of the world's great powers being charged with war crimes. This is a run of the mill criminal case in a developed country with a solid reputation for the rule of law. The other examples were dicey IMO. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Putin was not the first such case – see ICC arrest warrant for Gaddafi while Omar al-Bashir was posted at ITN in 2008, 2009 and 2010 but is still awaiting trial by the ICC. See the Mills of God... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:27, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Putin was a bit of an IAR exception based on his being a head of state of one of the world's great powers being charged with war crimes. This is a run of the mill criminal case in a developed country with a solid reputation for the rule of law. The other examples were dicey IMO. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- There have been several cases. Examples include: Arrest of Pervez Musharraf, ICC arrest warrant for Putin and Corruption in EU parliament. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Lot of sensationalism here. Durov isn't some massive household name, and even if he was, his arrest is only a blip. I could see an actual conviction being notable here, but otherwise, this isn't that big of news. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. I feel arrest blurbs in general contributes to a trial by media. I also agree with GenevieveDEon and DarkSide830 regarding notability; Your average human is far more likely to have heard of a major world leader, Facebook/Twitter or Zuckerberg/Musk than Telegram/VK and Durov. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 16:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above, we don't post simple arrests. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose We do not post arrests. Also linking an unproven set of serious criminal charges on the main page raises serious BLP concerns in my mind. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, we do post arrests. I've posted five examples above and am still going through the archives. Here are another 10. They are in no particular order as that's how the search delivers them.
- In the midst of announced reforms by Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, over 40 senior Saudi princes and ministers are arrested on corruption charges.
- Hezbollah rejects arrest warrants issued by the Special Tribunal for Lebanon against its senior members.
- Guinean President Alpha Condé is arrested by military officials during a coup d'état.
- In Russia, protests against the arrest of Alexey Navalny occur in many cities.
- Suffolk police launch an investigation on five dead bodies discovered near Ipswich in Suffolk, United Kingdom. A 37-year-old supermarket worker is arrested in nearby Trimley St. Martin on suspicion of murder.
- The Chinese government announces that artist and dissident Ai Weiwei has been arrested.
- Two separate criminal probes result in the arrest of seven FIFA officials and the raid of its headquarters by Swiss police.
- Three individuals are arrested for involvement with a security breach at Twitter that resulted in many prominent accounts promoting a bitcoin scam.
- Wichita, Kansas police announce the arrest of Dennis Rader, who they suspect to be the BTK killer.
- In Germany, 25 members of a far-right group are arrested in connection with a coup d'état plot.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 20:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, we do post arrests. I've posted five examples above and am still going through the archives. Here are another 10. They are in no particular order as that's how the search delivers them.
- Support A notable case of a government action against one of the most popular messengers in the world, has sparked a huge debate about free expression and compliance with authorities, possibly a field-changing event. The article looks fine. Trepang2 (talk) 21:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The French government have said that the arrest is nothing to do with them and is purely a police matter, appearing to be part of a larger investigation. Given that, the arrest of someone who isn't a major public figure I don't believe rises to the level of ITN - yet. Black Kite (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Masem and many others above, wait for the conviction. Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I believe this was closed too early. I know this isn't a vote but I count 11 opposes to 8 supports, definitely not a one-sided debate. Furthermore there were still new additions just a few hours before this was closed, don't we usually wait until the discussion has died down before closing. Either way this was a close issue that people were still discussing so it seems premature to close it so soon. Flyingfishee (talk) 07:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I concur, I've left a talk page message for the admin to reconsider their closure. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): operalounge.de
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- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Leading baritone at the opera houses of East Berlin, appearing internationally. Another of my DYK articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
His birthday is 30 August. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Kingdom of Jesus Christ compound standoff
[edit]Blurb: In the Philippines, after multiple accusations of sexual abuse, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ has a standoff in their compound, causing protests and injuries. (Post)
News source(s): 1, 2, 3.
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- Nominated by TheNuggeteer (talk · give credit)
- Created by Choy4311 (talk · give credit)
Significant event, gaining multiple reactions from the Senate, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ has gone through a lot of controversy, so maybe it has a chance to appear in the main page?
- Note: Will expand the article after.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- strong oppose totally local (as per sources too). of no consequence. maybe try DYK. Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:39, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Maybe try DYK" isn't good advice, as articles can only be nominated to DYK by the creator/main contributor (for recently created articles) or 5x expander. It's not just a wastebasket for articles that don't fit ITN. Also, the DYK queuing system means it will get published in several weeks at least, if it is even eligible.
Regarding the "local" and "no consequence" claims, it does have important consequences as the leader of the church, Apollo Quiboloy, is a close ally of the Duterte family, causing a major rift in the national government. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Maybe try DYK" isn't good advice, as articles can only be nominated to DYK by the creator/main contributor (for recently created articles) or 5x expander. It's not just a wastebasket for articles that don't fit ITN. Also, the DYK queuing system means it will get published in several weeks at least, if it is even eligible.
- Strong support. Unlike what was mentioned before, it isn't of no consequence, as the move brings into open conflict the Bongbong Marcos administration and the Duterte family (notably Vice President Sara Duterte and former president Rodrigo Duterte) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The standoff is still ongoing, but so far the political effects of it seem to be speculative in nature. Quiboloy has still not been arrested, and claims that the arrest was attempted in order to undermine Duerte are still only claims. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- For people looking to oppose this, let me consider things which makes this standoff notable to me:
- KOJC is an international group, housing 6 million members.
- 1 person died as part of the KOJC in result of this incident.
- 2,000 police officers were deployed to handle this situation.
- As Chaotic Enby said, the standoff caused national controversy.
- Four police officers were hospitalized.
- I think a protest is notable by itself.
- Again, you can vote whatever you think is suitable. But I just want to tackle my opinion on this topic.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
04:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose despite what the nominator have said, the incident is still very much local, the 6 million member claim is not independent verifiable, the casualty rate is low and talk of the rift in the government is still in the accusation phase. If it did end up causing a national emergency and somehow the collapse of the government, then this item can be nominated again. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 10:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think the nomination should make it clear this happened in the Philippines. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Natg 19 (talk) 16:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Stephen E. Thorpe
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NZ Herald
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:BC57:383D:4D26:A245 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sminthopsis84 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sminthopsis84 (talk · give credit), Ambrosia10 (talk · give credit), Nurg (talk · give credit) and Prosperosity (talk · give credit)
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English-born New Zealand entomologist. 240F:7A:6253:1:BC57:383D:4D26:A245 (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready article needs a bit more expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Christoph Daum
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel, Associated Press
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7157:6A0D:C1D6:975F (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Egeefecik35 (talk · give credit), ErnestCadine (talk · give credit), TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit), FMSky (talk · give credit) and Clibenfoart (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Noted German football coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:7157:6A0D:C1D6:975F (talk) 12:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks ready. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 13:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Honours section is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Betty Halbreich
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WWD
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bearian (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Suppport no major issues in terms of citations. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support a passing admin should RD this. FlipandFlopped ツ 05:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Tom Brown Jr.
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American survivalist. Obituary published 24 August. Thriley (talk) 22:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready article needs a bit of restructuring and there are two cn tags but hey! Publications and media section is fully sourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Solingen stabbing
[edit]Blurb: A mass stabbing linked to Islamic terrorism at a festival in Solingen, Germany leaves at least three people dead and multiple people with severe injuries. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Germany, three people are killed in a mass stabbing claimed by Islamic State at a festival in Solingen.
News source(s): Reuters, WP
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- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Thriley (talk) 00:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait good faith nom but leaning oppose. Let's see if this is bigger than it appears at the moment. Absent more than what we know at the moment, I'd probably oppose. Worse crimes occur on a near daily basis. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bondi got posted, why shouldn’t this? 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Similar to the Bondi stabbing so we will most likely post in due time when more info comes out 27.96.223.192 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait per above. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for more information as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Mass casualty event that is being covered significantly across global media outlets. Article appears to meet the criteria for ITN and will only continue to develop. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. There's no wait, something needs to demonstrate notability before anything else. There's been no wide societal effect (like there was with the recent Southport stabbing), and none of the people involved are notable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- They have not ruled out being a terrorist attack and are investigating as if it was one. I agree if this turns out to be a simple domestic matter that it doesn't make sense to post, but if this was terrorism, that's a different matter. — Masem (t) 00:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Same thing with Bondi, we posted that didn’t we? 27.96.223.192 (talk) 04:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's notable due to how rare deadly knife attacks are in Germany. Furthermore it seems to be an Islamist attack claimed by IS which has had notable political ramifications. IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 13:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The fact that ISIS have now claimed responsibility makes this somewhat more significant. Flyingfishee (talk) 03:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- ISIS is not a reliable source for the time of day, or anything else absent independent confirmation. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't recall ISIS having a history of making false claims. Is there a good example of that previously? (though this isn't particularly striking me as an overly significant story - it's not getting massive coverage compared to several other news stories running right now). Nfitz (talk) 06:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- The 2017 Las Vegas shooting is an obvious example. Celjski Grad (talk) 09:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Has that explicitly been disproven? This article discusses the Las Vegas claim:
- https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/isis-amaq-las-vegas/541746/ IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing in our articles disproves the ISIS claim - and no motive has yet been determined. One of our supporting references notes that ISIS making false claims would be unusual. Though I was thinking in a European context. Nfitz (talk) 01:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- The 2017 Las Vegas shooting is an obvious example. Celjski Grad (talk) 09:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't recall ISIS having a history of making false claims. Is there a good example of that previously? (though this isn't particularly striking me as an overly significant story - it's not getting massive coverage compared to several other news stories running right now). Nfitz (talk) 06:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- ISIS is not a reliable source for the time of day, or anything else absent independent confirmation. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support for the following reasons: three people killed in a country where such killings are not notable, you have a notable Islamist group claiming responsibility, and involves an issue that is highly political in numerous nations and is also connected to a wider geopolitical controversy. It's currently on the frontpage of BBC, ABC News Australia, Bloomberg, HuffPost, NBC News, CNN, CBC News, AlJazeera, and WION.
- IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- "where such killings are not notable" should be "where such killings are not common". IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- you can update your original post, and delete the follow up (and you have my permission to delete this message if you wish). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, I agree. It would be a different story if for example a shooting killed a few people in America we wouldn’t post but the same happening in Iceland for example would get posted. It’s about notability not death count. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 12:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why don't you declare your support then? IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 13:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- "where such killings are not notable" should be "where such killings are not common". IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support No reason this shouldn’t be on ITN, significant attack. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 13:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Mass stabbing incidents are not actually incredibly rare in Germany, with three major ones happening just this year. If it turns out that this was terrorism, then I would reconsider. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- German police to suspect terrorism: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/08/24/german-police-hunt-for-suspect-who-killed-three-in-festival/
- But it's also wrong to say that these attacks aren't rare. There are three major ones but that's trend of political violence and Islamist attacks that are notable in itself, and three is also not common as you put it. IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- (1) Suspecting that this was terrorism is very different from confirming that this was terrorism.
- (2) I am not saying that these types of attacks are common, but at least three in one year certainly does not seem rare to me. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- 1) It won't be confirmed that it was terrorism until the investigation is completed which will take days if not weeks, and it may even be non-confirmed if the police go down a politically-neutral route like mental heath (as they do in the UK). The likelihood that it was terrorism is high nevertheless.
- 2) It does not need to be rare, just uncommon enough that it can go on ITN. IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Update blurb to include ISIS claiming responsibility Scu ba (talk) 23:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done Authorities have announced the suspect is linked to IS. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt now that blurb looks good. Scu ba (talk) 17:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done Authorities have announced the suspect is linked to IS. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support if there was any doubt as to notability, that has been evaporated by ISIS claiming responsibility. FlipandFlopped ツ 05:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- How many attacks with more casualties does daesh claim responsibility for in syria or iraq? knife attacks in eurpe are like shooting inthe usa now.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Picture is clearer now. Time to post.CoatCheck (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- How is that? It is a not even claimed by anything of import. a lone wolf "muslim" doesnt make it "islamic".Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- oppose as usual as shootings in the usa now. don't post those for 3 deaths.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Administrator note I can see this going either way. @PrinceofPunjab and MtPenguinMonster: After saying "wait" early on without subsequent comments, any additional thoughts now, particulary on ALT blurb? Thanks. @PrinceofPunjab and MtPenguinMonster: Re-ping, since I didn't sign before.—Bagumba (talk) 04:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my vote to Support now. The claim by ISIS made this event notable. I think the alt blurb is the right one and it has been more than a week since the last entering was posted on the ITN section thus making the whole section stale. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 10:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is continuing to receive major coverage. The German government is planning to restrict irregular migration as a result of the attack: [6] Thriley (talk) 08:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Russell Malone
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Noted jazz guitarist. Needs more citations to be ready. Flibirigit (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I doubt that I will have time to make improvements before this goes stale. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unsourced discography and couple of cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Peter Lundgren
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tennis World USA, ATP Tour
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C5A:3B46:FCA7:E9D5 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Swedish tennis player and coach of Roger Federer. His death was announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C5A:3B46:FCA7:E9D5 (talk) 17:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Some more background information on Lundgren himself in the prose would be nice, his upbringing and a mention of his death is all that is really needed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article looks good and the person is definitely notable enough to post. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article meets the bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Multiple unsourced statements. SpencerT•C 18:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Summer Koshien
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Blurb: Kyoto International wins the 106th Summer Koshien. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Kyoto International wins the 106th Summer Koshien for the first time ever.
News source(s): NHK Kyodo KBS World AP-Yonhap
Credits:
- Nominated by Meganinja202 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Sensationalism isn’t allowed for ITN. Pretty sure we don’t post school tournaments here either. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 10:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- If March Madness is allowed, i see no reason for it not be, specially when its a notable event that has various articles about it, even Major League Baseball has wrote a article about the tournament and its relevancy. Meganinja202 (talk) 12:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We really should not be posting any amateur level sports in the first place, but keep in mind that for March Madness, the huge number of people that watch that across the globe has an impact of why we post it. However, that definitely cannot be said for a high school-level tournament that has little global coverage. --Masem (t) 12:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- how about highly cultural events principle? Summer Koshien is a very important tournament culturallly in Japan and its known around the world in part by various productions made about the tournament (check In popular culture) Meganinja202 (talk) 16:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom, but not known or covered globally as a sporting event. Natg 19 (talk) 15:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- had you guys checked the The popular culture tab ??? it is litteraly known by many forms not just by the direct broadcast of the tournament itself, I am sure lot of people know about the tournament thanks to ace of diamond or major Meganinja202 (talk) 16:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- As I mention below, these 2 mangas/animes are still Japanese coverage, which does not demonstrate worldwide or global significance. Natg 19 (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- had you guys checked the The popular culture tab ??? it is litteraly known by many forms not just by the direct broadcast of the tournament itself, I am sure lot of people know about the tournament thanks to ace of diamond or major Meganinja202 (talk) 16:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Tradediatalk 16:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose nowhere near meeting ITN significence criteria, not least because there isn't even a separate article for the event (the linked article is to the general event Japanese High School Baseball Championship which barely mentions it. This feels like a WP:SNOW close. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Theres a group of users (including myself) that updates stuffs about the tournament annually, but is not dedicated enough to make annual articles about the tournament, i dont know if counts but the ja and the zh|the zh language wikis has separated article every year , i plan to translate them in a future when i have more of a free time Meganinja202 (talk) 16:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no need for you to reply to every other oppose !vote. Please stop. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am replying beacuse it seems clearly some editors dont know about the cultural impact of the tournament, litteraly a person made its judgement saying that he feels "there has not much enough articles" about the tournament, i feel that without a counterpoint, it may be a unfair vote...
I heared that the ITN people were too demanding, but i feel that is TOO MUCH demanding and request shoud be put more thought into it, sprecialy due its cultural impact Meganinja202 (talk) 17:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)- There is a cultural aspect, but it is still within Japan, and covered in Japanese media or Japanese entertainment. ITN tries to highlight events that have a worldwide/international impact or approach, and unfortunately Summer Koshien does not meet the bar. There are few news articles outside of Japan covering the results of this tournament. Natg 19 (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am replying beacuse it seems clearly some editors dont know about the cultural impact of the tournament, litteraly a person made its judgement saying that he feels "there has not much enough articles" about the tournament, i feel that without a counterpoint, it may be a unfair vote...
- There is no need for you to reply to every other oppose !vote. Please stop. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Theres a group of users (including myself) that updates stuffs about the tournament annually, but is not dedicated enough to make annual articles about the tournament, i dont know if counts but the ja and the zh|the zh language wikis has separated article every year , i plan to translate them in a future when i have more of a free time Meganinja202 (talk) 16:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The nomination has multiple issue. First of all, the topic is quite niche and appears to have no international coverage. Second, there is no independent article on the just finished season. Third, the nominated article is in a poor shape as the majority of the content in the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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(Attention needed) RD: Arthur J. Gregg
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ArmyTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6132:7E42:1CB9:9DC9 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cornmazes (talk · give credit), Bob305 (talk · give credit) and MIDI (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
U.S. Army General and namesake of Fort Gregg-Adams. 240F:7A:6253:1:6132:7E42:1CB9:9DC9 (talk) 15:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - All sections needs sourcing before being approved.BabbaQ (talk) 06:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:29, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sphen
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:
- Nominated by 193.165.236.224 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Notable pair of penguins, article seems to be in good shape. 193.165.236.224 (talk) 13:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article has been significantly updated and there is specific coverage of the death of Sphen. As such, I believe this meets the threshold of ITN. Note: a separate article is not required for ITNRD, as per
Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis.
, which I believe is met here. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RIP to one of the most unusual queer icons. The article is in a good shape and looks ready to be posted however, his death was announced yesterday as I read it in the today's morning paper. I think this entry should be moved to August 22nd. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Natg 19 (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Canada railroad shutdown
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Blurb: Canadian rail freight traffic shuts down after the Canadian National Railway Company and Canadian Pacific Kansas City fail to reach an agreement with the Teamsters union. (Post)
News source(s): The Wall Street Journal
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Oppose the article is literally 2 sentences long. RachelTensions (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a stub and news is not something that is blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Rail strikes are not unusual and I don't see that this one is particularly more noteworthy. Black Kite (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub and such events are not uncommon. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is currently a stub, and noteworthiness has not been demonstrated. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose The article is a stub which makes this nom a non-starter. In terms of notability, as a Canadian, this is big news in my city and is being very widely discussed. However, I accept that it is currently regional news and thus not sufficiently notable for ITN. If the rail strike persists and causes a cascading economic impact, we should revisit. FlipandFlopped ツ 14:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, once the article is properly expanded. As the WaPo headline says, Huge Canadian railway work stoppage threatens U.S. economy. Nsk92 (talk) 14:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose — Local dispute. STSC (talk)
- Oppose as the article is a stub. However, if the strike ends up causing significant economic damage, then I might reconsider. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The shutdown didn't even last a day. Johndavies837 (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Mike Lynch
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Kcmastrpc (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bayesian (yacht) sinking victim that was missing has been found. – Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks detailed and well sourced. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support With the blurb nom closed, we should promptly RD this. FlipandFlopped ツ 15:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Looks solid to me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment So the story is evolving now into a criminal investigation. I don’t know if this rises to the level of ITN blurb; but it’s certainly interesting.[1] Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would say not... it's in the news, and generating lots of headlines, but the lasting impact and wider effects of this are fairly limited. — Amakuru (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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