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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
[edit]Hello Joe Roe,
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Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.
Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.
Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.
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Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!
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TFA
[edit]New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
[edit]Hello Joe Roe,
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- Backlog
The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.
- 2022 Awards
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Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)
New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js
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Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.
Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
[edit]Hello Joe Roe,
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Backlog
Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.
Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.
Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.
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Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).
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Welcome to the drive!
[edit]Welcome, welcome, welcome Joe Roe! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.
CactiStaccingCrane (talk)15:38, 2 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)
August music
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Thank you for your "pattern" comment about banning a new editor! - I have three "musicians" on the Main page, one the topic of my story today, like 22 July but with interview and today's music at the Proms -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extrordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Gerda! – Joe (talk) 10:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for getting rid of the TFA tag. I tried but was not understood ;) - I have two items on the Main page today, a DYK that I find completely inadequate to portray the subject, and a woman among the recent deaths who made it in the last hour before it would have been too late, - that French violinist, in the ensemble of Pierre Boulez, winner of a US competition, had only an article in Russian when she died, imagine! See my talk for music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Era style
[edit]Hi Joe, I read the Era style paragraph you directed me to, I couldn't see why the correction to BC from the link was incorrect, could you please explain.Halbared (talk) 10:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Halbared. The relevant advice is
Either convention [BC or BCE] may be appropriate for use in Wikipedia articles depending on the article context. Apply Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Retaining existing styles with regard to changes from one era to the other.
The linked page further explains,when either of two styles is acceptable it is generally considered inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change
. – Joe (talk) 10:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)- Thank you for a response. I thought as there was a single use of the era, it would be appropriate to not change the form from the source.Halbared (talk) 10:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- When it comes to stylistic things like this we follow the MOS, not sources. – Joe (talk) 10:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for a response. I thought as there was a single use of the era, it would be appropriate to not change the form from the source.Halbared (talk) 10:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 14 August 2024
[edit]- In the media: Portland pol profile paid for from public purse
- In focus: Twitter marks the spot
- News and notes: Another Wikimania has concluded
- Special report: Nano or just nothing: Will nano go nuclear?
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Hello, Joe,
I was looking at a WikiProject category that became empty after this MFD was closed. I was just wondering what should happen to all of the articles and pages in, for example, Category:WikiProject Donald Trump, now that this WikiProject was changed into a redirect.
If, say, the WikiProject had become inactive, all of the article talk page banners would state that it was an inactive WikiProject. But that's not the case here. The talk page banners reflect an active WikiProject only the link to that WikiProject is a redirect now instead of a direct link. Closing down a WikiProject is more than just changing the main WikiProject page into a redirect and I don't think the closer realized this or perhaps they were not given proper guidance on what to do with all of these associated pages. What do you think should happen with them all, like article assessment pages or WikiProject invitations or templates? Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh that's annoying. I expected the MfD to be closed by someone who knew what to do. Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Merging WikiProjects has the steps: the templates ({{WikiProject Donald Trump}}) need to be replaced by
{{WikiProject United States|USPresidents=yes}}
, which will empty these categories and allow them to be deleted. – Joe (talk) 05:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Unblockables essay
[edit]I decided that it would be more appropriate to discuss this at the essay talk page, rather than on your user page. I am moving my comment/suggestion over there. Sorry for the clutter!--FeralOink (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Mention in Arbitration discussion
[edit]Hey Joe, just wanted to reach out here as I've mentioned one of your closes (here), and was aware when I was making the post that I may have come across as hostile to you. While I opposed that close, I do not intend to come across as hostile, it's just hard to mention a discussion stemming from that close without mentioning your close. I also hope you don't feel I've mischaracterised the close by saying it was contentious (the discussion that followed would be my evidence for that). All the best, Domeditrix (talk) 22:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Discrimination
[edit]Hi @Joe Roe: please check this Wikipedia:WikiProject Discrimination project one user reverted your edit. You made this project inactive but another new user changed it to semi-active. Please check and revert it. Thanks 2409:40E0:1037:DB5F:E898:4D86:5853:EEFA (talk) 07:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Jewish Journal
[edit]I expected you'd seen this reference to yourself, but couldn't find it in your archives. In case you haven't: [1], Tom B (talk) 10:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- This[https://thewikipediaflood.blogspot.com/ is supposedly by a Wikipedia editor, linked in the article mentioned. I see it mentions User:Number 57, User:Nableezy,User:Nishidani, User:Huldra, User:Black Kite, User:Sean.hoyland, User:Rosguill, notes that "Only a technique called "semi-protection" (prohibiting people not logged in from editing) can stop crazy people from coming onto user pages and threatening editors. Huldra's Wikipedia user pages are not semi-protected. "
- I think ArbCom needs to know about this. Post a link at the case page? Doug Weller talk 11:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did, but thanks for letting me know. – Joe (talk) 11:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Good. Doug Weller talk 11:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies but I can't find that. Doug Weller talk 11:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, edit conflict – that was a reply to Tom B. I hadn't seen the blog you linked, Doug. Looking at it now. – Joe (talk) 11:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've posted it to the case. Doug Weller talk 14:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, edit conflict – that was a reply to Tom B. I hadn't seen the blog you linked, Doug. Looking at it now. – Joe (talk) 11:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's reasonable to infer that it is the handiwork of a permabanned editor. I read some days back, analysing its rhetoric. It's not worth rebuttal, but it is a palmary example of how expressions of genuine good will can be spun as humiliation, if some 'radical pro-Hamas' editor has a record of lending a hand to a strong pro-Israel editor who has landed in trouble.
Things are so bad, Nableezy has such power as "boss" of the Wikipedia Flood, that an Israeli editor actually went to him to ask for permission to make an edit! Nableezy graciously granted permission. I understand this is due to an insane "mentorship" arrangement in which the Israeli editor, as a condition for not being topic-banned, must humiliatingly grovel before Wikipedia's number-one Hamas advocate and defer to his wisdom and experience. That is how bad things have become. "Ownership" of articles is prohibited by Wikipedia rules, but the rules don't apply to the Wikipedia Flood.
- That alludes to User:Davidbena, who repeatedly got into trouble for both POV-pushing, and when sanctions were applied, for ignoring them (perhaps through an inability to understand both the rules and the status of his infractions). 'Wikipedia's number-one Hamas advocate' here is User:Nableezy who has repeatedly intervened to moderate David's sanctions, in recognition of his value as an extremely hard-working and very erudite contributor on Judaism. See here, here, here and here where the 'domineering anti-Israel mafia' (Huldra, Zero, Onceinawhile) asked arbitrators to be lenient in recognition of David's indispensable value.Nishidani (talk) 12:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- That offline site is the idle crapping of a vindictive and obsessive manipulator, and has zero worth, except for the fact that it does provide one with a sense of the mindcast behind so many socks that afflict the area, and distort it beyong recognition by ludicrous caricature that assumes the reader won't do their legwork but take the blogger at his word.Nishidani (talk) 12:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies but I can't find that. Doug Weller talk 11:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Good. Doug Weller talk 11:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
<- I've been a fan of their investigative reporting professionalism and rigorous methodology for a while now. It's always nice to recognized for one's contributions. The statement "...has presented charts and tables that he offers as evidence that our lying eyes deceive us." is accurate. Sean.hoyland (talk) 12:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- More indication of their "nvestigative reporting professionalism and rigorous methodology": †heir statement about it being only the second blog focusing on the "pro-Palestinian" editors, (after the "Israel Group" is false. I believe isrellycool.com was the first with a post from a "guest poster". He -eventally- took it down, but not before it was saved to archive.com. They (tried to) out Zero, Nishidani, me, Nableezy, Onceinawhile and Sean.hoyland who they "outed" as, wait for it......Sean Hoyland(!) Huldra (talk) 22:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, my clever encryption scheme of mutating ' H' to '.h' apparently didn't work and my cover was blown. Still, it's been nice hiding out here in the mountains of Afghanistan. Surprisingly good internet access. I don't know what happens to some people, something that can detach them from reality. No joke, I knew someone with schizophrenia who was more grounded in reality, even when they were off their meds. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi, i am a new editor in Wikipedia. I am very annoyed that the Armenian translation of names is not written in the articles of the Armenian kings. I tried to correct this because I think you agree with me that the Armenian language has existed since ancient times, although I agree that the Armenian alphabet was invented in 405 by Mesrop Mashtots. But despite this, I think you agree with me that this does not give the right to delete Armenian names, because for example, the kings of Georgia have a Georgian name written, although the alphabet was also invented by Mesrop Mashtots. I hope that you will help in this matter, but this is your desire, Thanks in advance. Nakhararakan (talk) 19:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)