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Calendar
[edit]What's the correct order of the months of Commodus's calendar? All the sources seem to agree that the months are Lucius, Aelius, Aurelius, Commodus, Augustus, Herculeus, Romanus, Exsuperatorius, Amazonius, Invictus, Felix, Pius, but searching on the net I've gotten a few different accounts of what the correct order is, which months correspond to January–December. Everyking 20:53, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The film gladiator
[edit](There is no historical evidence suggesting Marcus Aurelius was murdered, much less by his own son.) I think that should be taken out. It is making reference to the fact that he was murdered in "Gladiator" the movie but it was not his own son that killed him. Can anyone tell me why it is there?
- pretty sure its just to make the movie better but even so there is at least a story of assassination even though it wasn't by his own son. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.171.146 (talk) 12:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Commodus the gladiator
[edit]This section is self-contradictory. First it says the battles did not end in death then it says he slaughtered a bunch of wounded soldiers and amputees who were rounded up and given to him for the purpose. So did the battles end in death or not? ♟♙ (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/73*.html
Pages 107 and 113 (noted in small print on the right) cover these topics. Seems he would kill in private but during public displays a wooden sword was used against “fellow gladiators”. The crippled and handicapped apparently weren’t worthy of such respect as it does mention their public killings. I can’t find anything referencing him wounding/scarring the gladiators, merely the mention of kissing them after the exhibition...
“ As for wild beasts, however, he slew many both in private and in public. Moreover, he used to contend as a gladiator; in doing this at home he managed to kill a man now and then, and in making close passes with others, as if trying to clip off a bit of their hair, he sliced off the noses of some, the ears of others, and sundry features of still others; but in public he refrained from using steel and shedding human blood.”
“ And this story was believed, too, because he had once got together all the men in the city who had lost their feet as the result of disease or some accident, and then, after fastening about their knees some likenesses of serpents' bodies, and giving them sponges to throw instead of stones, had killed them with blows of a club, pretending that they were giants.” Ramahamalincoln (talk) 11:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Test
[edit]Test Ramahamalincoln (talk) 10:41, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
My previous post didn’t publish and was checking my privileges, please delete... Ramahamalincoln (talk) 10:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Assassination after list of names discovered?
[edit]The link provides the source material to the quoted text below as well as references but I leave it to someone who is more well versed in this to verify that it's accurate as I can't find much other mention of this and don't have access to the reference material ...
“For the new year, writes Dio, Commodus planned to kill the consuls-elect and then, dressed as a gladiator, present himself to the people of Rome as consul in their place. When, says Herodian, on New Year's Eve AD 192, the night before he was to appear as a secutor, Marcia, the emperor's favorite concubine, discovered her own name and those of Eclectus, the chamberlain, and Laetus, the praetorian prefect, on the proscription list, they plotted to save themselves and had Commodus strangled in his bath.”
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/severans/severans.html Ramahamalincoln (talk) 10:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
link rot
[edit]The #12 note linking to something at Tulane University doesn't work. 404 error. Please find a new source. 100.15.127.199 (talk) 21:02, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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"opponents always submitted to the emperor"
[edit]This claim that Commodus never killed men before an arena audience has been in the article since September 2005,[1] with embellishments added over time. It is cited to Cassius Dio 73.10.3 but CD says nothing like this and in fact says the opposite: he often slew in public large numbers of men and beasts! I can accept that it would be vain to fight against the emperor, but I don't see where CD addresses that point, or suggests that Commodus hesitated to kill, or any darn word about opponents proudly displaying their scars. Does anyone want to back this passage up before I remove it? 67.180.143.89 (talk) 00:55, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Devaluation of the denarius
[edit]Under "Sole reign" is stated "He reduced the weight of the denarius from 105 per Roman pound to 96 per Roman pound (3.85 grams to 3.35 grams)." This can't possibly be right: from 105 per Roman pound to 96 per Roman pound represents an increase in weight of a denarius, not a decrease. But the error is more complicated than just a switch between 96 and 105. If that were the answer, we would have 96*3.85 = 105*3.35. But in fact 96*3.85 = 369.6, and 105*3.35 = 351.74, a discrepancy not explainable as a mere rounding difference. So I don't know what correction to suggest. See also the "Denarius" article, which says "in 180 Commodus reduced its weight by one-eighth to 108 [not 105] to the pound." 66.218.44.129 (talk) 23:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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