Talk:Kahanism
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2022
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Concerned about this bit:
"the majority of Arabs living in Israel are enemies of Jews and Israel itself"
As far as I know, Meir Kahane made it very clear that every Arab (not just most Arabs) are fundementally the enemies of the Jewish state and advocated for the expulsion of Arabs in general, not just the Arabs that could be considered "unloyal". HistoryResearcher101 (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- I meant remove "the majority of" in this part:
- Kahane maintained the view that the majority of Arabs living in Israel are enemies of Jews and Israel itself HistoryResearcher101 (talk) 20:15, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Terrorist Organization
[edit]I think the sentence about the US Classifying Kach as a terror organization should be removed, since that was revoked earlier this year. Mr manor11 (talk) 08:22, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- It should be amended. It has been un-blacklisted because they have simply been inactive, but it remains a 'specially designated global terrorist' entity. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:51, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Iskandar323, IRL, I validate sanctions solutions providers to U.S. commercial and retail banks for AML/BSA and KYC compliance required by FinCEN & OFAC. Lists of SDFNs (specially designated foreign nationals) and entities that are deemed "terrorist organizations" can change often, and more so since sanctions on Russia as of 2022. State Dept. has a watchlist. Treasury has multiple watchlists. State and Treasury don't match 1:1 nor are they each unique. Anyway, entities (individuals and organizations) can be removed, or "un-blacklisted" from watchlists as appropriate by the US government, e.g. due to inactivity because all members are dead. Yet some old, inactive entities, e.g. Bader-Meinhoff group, Japanese sarin gas terrorists (forgot their name) are still on lists. How can an organization, e.g. Kach, remain a Specially Designated Terrorist group without remaining on the watchlist? Being an SDFN or SDT is what puts them on the watchlist, no? If they are deemed inactive, then they would be removed, I would think. Can you or another editor explain?--FeralOink (talk) 06:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- That is simply the state of affairs per US statements. See this article. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, Iskandar323, I understand now, after re-reading my own comment! There are many idiosyncrasies in the U.S. terrorist watchlists. Thank you for providing that helpful link in your reply.--FeralOink (talk) 10:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- That is simply the state of affairs per US statements. See this article. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Iskandar323, IRL, I validate sanctions solutions providers to U.S. commercial and retail banks for AML/BSA and KYC compliance required by FinCEN & OFAC. Lists of SDFNs (specially designated foreign nationals) and entities that are deemed "terrorist organizations" can change often, and more so since sanctions on Russia as of 2022. State Dept. has a watchlist. Treasury has multiple watchlists. State and Treasury don't match 1:1 nor are they each unique. Anyway, entities (individuals and organizations) can be removed, or "un-blacklisted" from watchlists as appropriate by the US government, e.g. due to inactivity because all members are dead. Yet some old, inactive entities, e.g. Bader-Meinhoff group, Japanese sarin gas terrorists (forgot their name) are still on lists. How can an organization, e.g. Kach, remain a Specially Designated Terrorist group without remaining on the watchlist? Being an SDFN or SDT is what puts them on the watchlist, no? If they are deemed inactive, then they would be removed, I would think. Can you or another editor explain?--FeralOink (talk) 06:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- @FeralOink: @Iskandar323: Hey there, here is a reference you both may appreciate: "In May 2022, just after Israel’s thirty-sixth government lost its majority,[214] and early polling pointed to its impending demise,[215] the US State Department announced that it no longer considered the Kahanist group Kahane Chai to be a terrorist organization.[216] The move sent a clear signal to Netanyahu that US President Joe Biden did not object to his including the Kahanists in any future government."
- David Sheen: Kahanism and American Politics: The Democratic Party's Decades-Long Courtship of Racist Fanatics, 2023 - Cheers --91.54.3.231 (talk) 22:37, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 November 2023
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add {{Fascism sidebar}} Gorgonopsi (talk) 08:56, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- https://imeu.org/article/fact-sheet-meir-kahane-the-extremist-kahanist-movement
- https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.1985.9969820 Gorgonopsi (talk) 08:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. While the fascism portal is already present on this page, the sidebar is far more visible and so editors may have WP:WEIGHT concerns regarding it's inclusion. —Sirdog (talk) 04:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
Text Source needed and possible rewording.
[edit]"The party, and the Kahanist movement as a whole, have been described as espousing Jewish fascism."
"Netanyahu's hard-line new government takes office in Israel". BBC News
"Israel moves sharply to right as Netanyahu forms new coalition". BBC News
Neither source makes reference to the Kahanist or fascism, as somebody who remembers the terrorist attack in Hebron at the Ibrahim mosque at the Tomb of the patriarchs, this statement is most likely factual. Although, going through nearly all the web available references, I cannot find reference to any Kahanist descriptions with Jewish fascism.
Having said that, the above excerpt needs a source supporting it and the statement should be reworded so as not to sound like a bandwagon fallacy statement. RCSCott91 (talk) 15:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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